Kibler/Kubler/Kuebler

Backnang, Germany to Baltimore

The Kibler Family of Bachnang & Baltimore

[I wrote this in 2003.  Due to other priorities I kept putting off updating this family history and and putting it online.  Below is the text as it was written in 2003.  Sorry about the Census record formatting at present.  Some of the discoveries I made after the 2003 writing are:  Frederick Kibler's full name was Gottlieb Frederick Kübler.  He died in 1848 and his widow, Frederica Jane Kübler remarried to John Martin.]

The Kibler Family

Researching the Kibler family has been an adventure.  When I first started this project 3 weeks ago, my plan was to put everything I knew about the Wenzel and Wolfe families on paper.  My intent was to find as many extra records as I could to add to the family history.  I wanted to flesh out an interesting story about our German immigrant ancestors.  When I started, all that I knew about the Kibler family was that Catherine Kibler married George Wenzel on October 8, 1850 and her father was Frederick Kibler.  I extensively searched for the Kibler family before, but had found nothing.  That was about to change.

Discovering Elizabeth and Sophia

The following  marriage was recorded in the records of Old Otterbein Church: “George Wenzel to Catherine Ribler on October 8, 1850 in Baltimore, Maryland”.  Also recorded were the following Kibler records:  Sophia Kibler, born June 15, 1840 was Baptized on February 7, 1841.  Elizabeth Kibler, born May 29, 1838 was Baptized on February 7, 1841.  Parents are listed as Frederick and Frederica Kibler. 

My grandmother Helen Collins, told me that Catherine Kibler’s fathers name was Frederick.   Sophia and Elizabeth Kibler were assumed to be a sisters of Catherine Kibler for several reasons.  Catherine (Kibler) Wenzel is found in many Old Otterbein Church records.  No other Kiblers are found in the records of Old Otterbein.  Catherine Kibler’s middle name is recorded as Frederica in a Wenzel Bible record.  Sophia and Elizabeth were names that Catherine used for her first children.  In addition, the name Frederick matches the verbal history. 

Discovering Caroline

As my grandmother and I went through all of her oldest photos, it was not clear how three photos fit into the family tree.  My grandmother stated the person on the left is Caroline Loose.  All that she remembers was that she was “Aunt Wenzel’s side”.  I wrote this comment on the back of the photo.  Recently, I looked for further clues in my grandmother’s belongings and found some.  In a small memory book of Annie Wenzel’s from the 1880s, various friends and relatives signed and included a cute message.  Three of the people that signed the book and penned a message were J.W. Loose, J. Albert Loose, and ‘your cousin’ Maria Loose.  My next step was to research Census records to see what else could be revealed.  The following 1870, 1880, and 1900 Census records are for the Loose family:

1870 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 19th Ward
Name            Age Occupation   Birthplace
Charles Loose    45 shoemaker    Prussia
Caroline         35              Germany
William          13              Maryland
Elizabeth         9              Maryland
John W            7              Maryland
Mary              3              Maryland
Alfred           10 months       Maryland

1880 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland
Name             Relship    Age  Occupation   Birthplace
Charles A Loose              56  shoemaker    Prussia
Caroline R       wife        45               Germany
John W           son         17               Maryland
Annie M          daughter    13               Maryland
Julius A         son         11               Maryland
Also shows Charles Loose’s parents were born in Prussia and Caroline’s parents were born in Germany

1900 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland -
Name               Relship  Birth month    Age   Birthplace
Charles W Miles             Jul 1865       34    Maryland
Annie M            wife     Apr 1868       32    Maryland
Caroline B         daughter Aug 1896        3    Maryland
Raymond            son      Dec 1899    5 months Maryland
Caroline Loose     m-in-law Sep 1835       64    Germany
Also - Charles & Anna had been married 4 years.  Charles’ parents were born in Maryland.  Caroline Loose’s parent were born in Germany.  Caroline immigrated in 1836.  She had been in the U.S. 63 years.

Finding the Loose family in old Census records led to the discovery of a two researchers who had traced this line of the Loose family.  Mr. Raymond Miles and Ms. Dean Pendleton are great-grandchildren of Caroline Loose and had considerable information about her.  The information they had confirmed she was a Kibler.  They even had a copy of the same picture that my grandmother had.  From verbal history they knew Caroline’s father was named Frederick Kibler.  Caroline Loose referred to her maiden name as Kubler, but at least one of her grandchildren were given Kibler as a middle name.  Kibler is commonly respelled Kibbler, Kubler, Kuebler, or Kiebler when German Kübler’s came to America.

More About Elizabeth

Until recently the only information I had about Mary Elizabeth Kibler was that she was born on May 29, 1838 and was baptized on February 7, 1841 at Old Otterbein Church.  That was until I responded to a query posted by Terry Snyder looking for help with a Kibler ancestor in 1800s Baltimore.    Mr. Snyder’s grandfather was Charles P. Kibler, who was connected to a Mary Elizabeth Seacrist in York County, Pennsylvania.  Mr. Snyder had much information about the Kibler family in York, Pennsylvania.  The information that Mr. Snyder provided immediately got my attention.  My grandmother had left a photo labeled “Elizabeth Seacrist, distant relative from York, PA”.  This led to research to find out more about Mary Elizabeth Seacrist.  There were actually two Ms. Seacrist’s  connected to our Kiblers. Below are the Census records:

1880 Census - York County, Pennsylvania
Name Relnship Age Occupation Birthplace
Jacob Sechrist 51 Carpenter Pennsylvania
Marry wife 42 Maryland
Adam son 23 Carpenter Pennsylvania
Jacob son 20 Carpenter Pennsylvania
Annie daughter 19 Pennsylvania
Marry daughter 17 Pennsylvania
George son 15 Pennsylvania
Lucy daughter 12 Pennsylvania
Olive daughter 10 Pennsylvania
Harry son   6 Pennsylvania
Martha Kibler other   1 Pennsylvania
Also shows Jacob’s and Marry’s parents were born in Germany.

1900 Census - York County, Pennsylvania
Name Relship Birth month     Age     Occupation Birthplace
Mary E Secrist May 1838        62 Maryland
Olive daughter Oct 1870         29 Pennsylvania
Martha Kibler niece Jan 1879 21 Pennsylvania

The 1900 Census record shows that Mary E Secrist was born in May 1838.  This matches the date of birth found in the Old Otterbein Church record.  She was living with her niece Martha Kibler, meaning her maiden name was probably Kibler.  Also my grandmother had the photo labeled “Elizabeth Seacrist, distant relative from York, PA”.  I believe we have our relative.  

Discovering Charles

Discovering Elizabeth Kibler in York, Pennsylvania led to further discussions with Mr. Snyder and further research of other Kiblers in York County.  Clearly there was another brother, because Mary Elizabeth Sechrist was living with a niece, Martha Kibler in the 1880 and 1900 Census.  I searched the Census records in York County and found a small number of Kibler families.  Just one Kibler was born in Maryland.  He was Charles P Kibler.  The Census records are as follows:

  1880 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, Winterstown
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
Charles P Kibler 43 laborer Maryland
Lydia A wife 43 keeps house Pennsylvania
Annie E daughter 13 laborer Pennsylvania
John F son 10 Pennsylvania
Charles P son   9 Pennsylvania
Amos W son   5 Pennsylvania
Martha A daughter   1 Pennsylvania
Susan E daughter  4 months Pennsylvania

1900 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, North Hopewell
Name Relship Birth month      Age    Occupation Birthplace
Charles Kibler Oct 1845         54      farmer Maryland
Lydia wife May 1846        54 Pennsylvania
Susan daughter Feb 1880         20 Pennsylvania
Laura daughter Dec 1880         19 Pennsylvania
Also shows Charles and Laura had been married 21 years.  Lydia had 2 children and both were alive.

1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, Church Street
Name Marital Stat    Relationship Age    Occupation Birthplace
Charles P Kibler 63 farmer Maryland
Mimie Fisher single         boarder 62 Germany

1920 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, York Road
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
Clyde T Snyder 37 farmer Pennsylvania
Susan E wife 40 Pennsylvania
Cyril C son 14 Pennsylvania
Winifred C daughter 13 Pennsylvania
Geraldine N daughter 10 Pennsylvania
Willard L son          8 Pennsylvania
Elizabeth S daughter   5 Pennsylvania
Titis C son   2 Pennsylvania
Charles P Kibler f- in law  75 Pennsylvania
Annie M Anderson boarder  42 Pennsylvania

Terry Snyder’s grandmother had passed down much information about the Charles P Kibler family.  Charles P Kibler was born in Baltimore.  His first wife was Mary Elizabeth Seacrist.  Not the same one.  This Mary Elizabeth Seacrist is possibly a sister-in-law to Mary Elizabeth Kibler Seacrist.  Charles P Kibler’s first wife likely died in 1878 or 1879.  Charles P Kibler’s second wife Lydia Snyder and all of his children appear in the 1880 Census with him.  Information passed down from Mr. Snyder’s grandmother tells us that Charles P Kibler’s first five children were born to his first wife, Mary Elizabeth Seacrist.  Their daughter Martha, was listed in two Census records in 1880.  She was listed as a daughter to Charles P Kibler and as a niece to Mary E Sechrist.  If Martha is a niece to Mary E Sechrist, then Charles P Kibler must be a brother to Mary E, Catherine, Caroline, and Sophia.

Finding Mom, Louise, John, and George

After finding Caroline Rebecca, Mary Elizabeth, Sophia, and Charles Peter, I decided to conduct a third extremely thorough search of the 1850 Census.  Finally, I found the grand prize, the 1850 Census record for the Kibler family.  Here it is:

1850 Census - Baltimore, Maryland, 19th Ward
Name Age Birthplace
Jane Kipler 38 Germany
Cath 17 Germany
Caroline 15 Germany
Louise 14 Germany
Eliz 13 Maryland
Sophie 12 Maryland
Jon   7 Maryland
Peter   5 Maryland
George   3 Maryland

The names and birth order for Catherine, Caroline, Elizabeth, Sophia, and Charles Peter matched perfectly.  The ages were mostly correct or off by one year.  The surprise was the first name of the mother.  In the Old Otterbein Church record, Frederick and Frederica Kibler were listed as the parents of Elizabeth and Sophia.  Jane could be a middle or first name or a nickname.   The possibility that  Frederica died and Frederick remarried to Jane is dispelled by a Baltimore City Directory listing in 1851 for Frederica Kibler.  This is the only year that she appears.  Usually women were only listed if they were employed or recent widows.
The Other Frederick

In the 1860 Census only four Kibler families lived in Maryland.  Three of these families lived in Cecil County and were born in Pennsylvania.  The fourth Kibler lived in Baltimore.  His name was Frederick Kibler and he was born in Württemberg in 1828.  There was also Kubler family in Baltimore, but they were born elsewhere.  Circumstantial evidence (name, birthplace, only Kibler) leads me to believe that this Frederick Kibler may be connected to our Kibler family.  I am not certain how.  He was born in 1824 and thus is not likely to be a son of Frederica Jane Kibler who was born in 1812.  He is too young to be the father, Frederick Kibler.  Catherine Kibler was born when he was 8.  He might be a nephew to the elder Frederick.  There are many other possibilities.  He may not be related at all. 

On May 30, 1855, this younger Frederick Kibler married Mary Ann Livesey.  She was born in England in 1835.  Frederick and Mary Ann Kibler had three children, Albert (1859-), Mary E (1865-), and Ross F (1867-).  

1860 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 20th Ward
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
Frederick Kibler 35 machinist Germany
Mary 25 England
Albert 9 months Maryland
Alice Livsay 22 England

1870 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 8th District
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
Frederick Kibler 46 machinist Wuertemburg
Mary A 34 keeping house England
Albert 11 Maryland
Mary E   5 Maryland
Ross F   3 Maryland

1880 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 19th Ward
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
Frederick Kibler 56 retail grocer Wuertemburg
Mary A wife 46 keeping house England
Mary E daughter 14 Maryland
Ross F son 13 apprentice to butcher Maryland
Also Frederick Kibler’s parents were born in Wuertumburg.  Mary’s parents were born in England

The younger Frederick Kibler  is found in the city directory for Baltimore City in 1858, 1859, 1860, and 1864.  He is not found in the directory from 1836 to 1857.

Baltimore City Directories
1858 Frederick Kibler, engineer, h 92 Dolphin
1858-59 Frederick Kiblea, engine & locomotive builder, h 92 Dolphin
1860 Frederick Kibler, engine & locomotive builder, h 92 Dolphin
1864 Frederick Kibler, machinist, corner of Townsend & John

Kibler Homeplace

Census records firmly establish that the first three Kibler children were born in Germany.  The records that are more specific, such as the ones for Catherine Kibler Wenzel’s children, state she was born in Württemberg.  Years ago Dean Pendleton and siblings asked her father where Caroline Loose was born.  Her father said it sounded like Bach (like the composer) num, so they wrote that down.  There are only two cities in Germany that we could find that resemble the spelling “Bachnum”.  One is Bochum. However, this is pronounced Boke-oom and is located in Westphalia.  The other city is Backnang.  The German pronunciation of Back is similar to Bach.  The ‘a’ in Nang also sounds like the ‘ah’ in Bach.  Backnang is in Wüertemburg.  This is likely the birthplace of Caroline Kibler.  One would suspect that Backnang was homeplace of the Kibler family.  Likely the parents, Frederick and Frederica Jane as well as children Catherine, Caroline, and Louise were born in Backnang.

Backnang, Württemberg, Germany

The biggest city and capitol of Württemberg is Stuttgart.  Backnang is a small town 19 miles northeast of Stuttgart.   In 1835 the population of Backnang was around 5,000. Today more than 35,000 live in Backnang.  Backnang developed originally from its historic roots in the textile and leather processing industry to a High-Tech area today.  Many old half-timbered houses and buildings decorate the historic marketplace.   The town also features a church that was built in the 13th century.  The town is a gateway to the Swabian Frankish forest.

Kibler Immigration

Catherine, Caroline, and Louise Kibler were born in Germany in 1832, 1835, and 1836. Elizabeth and the other children were born in Maryland starting in May 1838.  This sets the time frame for the Kibler family’s arrival in America  between 1836 and 1838.  The 1900 Census record for Caroline Kibler Loose more specifically shows that the Kibler familly immigrated to the United States in 1836.  However, her death certificate stated at the time of her death in 1902, she had been in the country 64 years.  This indicates she immigrated in 1837 or 1838.  I tend to lean towards the 1836 date, since that year was specifically provided when Caroline Loose was alive.  She may have given the information to the census taker herself.  Catherine Kibler Wenzel’s death certificate in April 1900 states she had been in the country 60 years.  The family definitely was in Maryland before 1840, since Elizabeth Kibler was born in Maryland in 1838.  Death certificate information is not always reliable.  I have not been able to find the Kiblers on a ship passenger list as of yet.

Before 1830, Germans left their home country for primarily economic and religious reasons, rather than political reasons.  During the period between 1830 and 1848, Germans emigrated for economic, religious, and/or political reasons.

Frederick Kibler - Baltimore, Maryland

At present we have not been able to find Frederick Kibler in the Baltimore City Directory at any point during his lifetime.  We do know that his son Charles P Kibler was born in Baltimore, Maryland in 1845.   During the 1840 Census Frederick Kibler was living in Baltimore:

1840 Census, Ward 12
Fredk Kiebler, 1 male 30-40, 2 females 5-10, 1 female 20-30

The record reaffirms that Frederica Jane was born around 1812.  The record also establishes that Frederick Kibler was born between 1810 and 1820.  Since his first daughter Catherine was born in 1832, Frederick Kibler was likely born closer to 1810 than to 1820.  The question the 1840 Census record raises is “Where are the 3 females under 5 years old?”  The most likely conclusion is that the census taker had trouble communicating with the German speaking Kibler family. 

Frederick Kibler’s Death

In 1850, only Jane Kibler appears in the Census.  She is listed with all of the children.  Since Frederick is not listed, he probably died before 1850.  In 1851, Frederica is listed in the Baltimore City directory.  This is further indication that Frederick recently passed away.  Females were usually only listed in the directory if they had an occupation or were recent widows.  The youngest son, George was born in 1847.  The logical conclusion is that Frederick Kibler died sometime between 1846 and 1850.

First Child - Catherine Kibler

Catherine KiblerCatherine Kibler was born on November 11, 1832 in Württemberg, Germany.  It is assumed that she was born in the small town of Backnang, since her sister, Caroline was likely born there, 3 years later.  Catherine’s gravestone gives us her birthdate.  Census records in 1850, 1860, 1870, and 1880 and her death certificate confirm she was born around 1832.  The 1860, 1870, and 1880 Census records note her birthplace as Hesse C G, Wertemberg, and Wurtemburg.  All other records for Catherine Kibler Wenzel show her birthplace as Germany, except for 2 records.  The 1920 Census record for her son Charles F Wenzel shows her birthplace as Hesse-Darmstadt.  The 1920 Census record for her son Joshua H Wenzel shows her birthplace as Mainz.  I believe these entries are confusing her birthplace with her husbands.  Württemberg is a region (state) of Germany, just as Hesse-Darmstadt is a region (state).  The regions are close to each other.  One less likely possibility is that Catherine Kibler was born in Backnang and later moved to Mainz, before emigrating.

Since George Wenzel and Catherine Kibler were from different parts of Germany and they arrived in America at different times, it is not likely that they knew each before George Wenzel arrived in Baltimore.  With an October 1850 marriage, one would assume that the courtship would have begun at least a few months prior.  Considering George Wenzel is not found in the Census conducted in early July 1850 or any other record prior to October 1850, one might assume he arrived in Baltimore in July 1850.  He possibly arrived several months earlier.  Recent immigrants without established homes can easily be missed by a census taker.

Catherine Kibler and George Wenzel had 13 children.  The details are included in Section 3.

Catherine (Kibler) Wenzel died 6 years later at age 67 on April 20, 1900.  Her death certificate lists her address as 1428 Gilmore St., Baltimore, Maryland.  It gives her birthplace as  Germany and states she had lived in Baltimore for 60 years.  The cause of death was (primary) apoplexy, (secondary) exhaustion.  She was sick for 2 days.  She was buried at Loudon Park on April 22, 1900.

A newspaper clipping of a death notice from Helen Collins’ materials reads as follows:

Wenzel - On April 20, 1900, Catherine, aged 67 years, widow of the late George Wenzel.  The relatives and friends of the family are respectfully invited to attend the funeral services at the residence of her daughter, Mrs. Olive E. Frock, 1428 North Gilmor street on Sunday afternoon at 3 o'clock.  Interment at Loudon Park.

Second Child - Caroline Kubler (1835-1902)

Caroline KublerFrom information passed down through the Loose family, her death certificate, and gravestone, Caroline Rebecca Kibler was born on September 3, 1835 in Backnum, Wüertemberg, Germany.  The 1900 Census gives her immigration date as 1836.  Caroline married Charles A Loose on February 7, 1852.  Charles Loose was born June 9, 1824 in Hereford, Westphalen, Prussia, the son of Carl Albert Loose and Marie Caroline Fensch.

Charles and Caroline Loose had 9 children.

  1. Henry August Loose was born on May 22, 1854 in Baltimore.  He died on July 7, 1855 and is buried at Western Cemetery in Baltimore.
  2. Elizabeth Sophia Loose was born January 4, 1856 in Baltimore.  She died as an infant on August 3, 1856.
  3. William Fruent Loose was born in the basement of G.M.E. Church on April 19, 1857 in Baltimore.  He married Louise around 1874.  They had four children, Charles (1880-), Catherine Delma (1883-), William (1886-), & Rieda A (1888-).

    1900 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 2139 Pennsylvania Ave
    Name             Relship Birth Month    Age Occupation Birthplace
    William Loose Apr 1857         43 barber Maryland
    Louisa C             wife Jan 1859         41 Maryland
    Charles son Sept 1880       19 hat salesman Maryland
    Catherine daughter Jan 1883         17 Maryland
    William Jr. son Apr 1886         14 Maryland
    Rieda A             daughter Apr 1888         12 Maryland
    Also shows William and Louisa married for 20 years.  William and Louisa’s parents born in Germany.

    1910 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 2139 Pennsylvania Ave
    Name Relationship Age    Occupation             Birthplace
    William F Loose 50      barber in own shop Maryland
    Louisa C wife 51 Maryland
    Rieda A daughter 22 Maryland
    Also shows William and Louisa married for 30 years.  William and Louisa’s parents born in Germany.

    Louisa had 4 children, all 4 were living.

    Louise died June 26, 1911.  William remarried to Mary E before 1920.

    1920 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - st?
    Name Relationship Age Occupation Birthplace
    William F Loose 62 Clerk for Md insurance co. Maryland
    Mary E wife 50 Maryland
    Also shows William and Mary’s parents were born in Germany.

    William died May 22, 1928 at age 71 and is buried at Loudon Park Cemetery.

  4. Charles Albert Loose was born on March 11, 1859 in Baltimore.  He died at the age of 3 on December 18, 1862.
     
  5. Elizabeth Charlotte Loose was born on March 3, 1861 in Baltimore.  She was also known as Lizzie.  Lizzie married Frederick Miller on December 3, 1894 most likely in York Couunty, Pennsylvania.  Frederick and Lizzie had five known children, George (1895-), Rieda (1896-), Barbara (1899-), Herbert (ca1904-), and Lester (ca1906-).

    1880 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 19th Ward
    Name     Relaship Age Occupation Birthplace
    William Shannon 42 treasurer for land company Maryland
    Elizabeth H. Shannon    wife 39 keeps house Maryland
    Elizabeth Loose other 19 servant Maryland
    Also shows Williams’ parents were born in Ireland, Elizabeth Shannons’ parents were born in Maryland, Elizabeth Loose’s parents were born in Germany.

    1900 Census - York County, Pennsylvania,
    Name Relship Birth Month Age    Occupation    Birthplace
    Frederick Miller Jan 1847              53      carpenter      Pennsylvania
    Lizzie C    wife Mar 1861              39    Maryland
    George E son Nov 1895                4    Pennsylvania
    Rieda E             daughter Nov 1896          3     Pennsylvania
    Barbara               daughter Dec 1899             5 months     Pennsylvania
    Also shows Frederick and Lizzie were married 7 years.  Lizzie had 5 children and 3 were alive.  Frederick’s and Lizzie’s parents were born in Germany.

    1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania - York City, 42 South Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Frederick Miller 48 carpenter at a shop Pennsylvania
    Lizzie wife 48                           Maryland
    George C son 14              Pennsylvania
    Rieda daughter 13 Pennsylvania
    Barbara daughter 10 Pennsylvania
    Herbert son   6 Pennsylvania
    Leter son   4 Pennsylvania
    Also shows Frederick and Lizzie were married for 17 years.  Lizzie had 5 children, all 5 were living.  Both Frederick’s and Lizzie’s parents were born in Germany.

  6. John Wesley Loose was born on April 3, 1862 in Baltimore.  He was known as Wes. Wes wrote in Annie Wenzel’s memory book “A friend in need is a friend indeed; A girls best friend is her lover,  J.W. Loose”.  Wes married Margarette on December 31, 1885 in Baltimore.  She was born in August 1867 in Maryland.  Her last name is possibly Heinline.  At the time of the 1900 Census, Wes’es occupation was manufacturing molding.  Wes and Margarette had three sons, Albert Wesley (1887-), Clyde Eugene (1889-), and Carroll L (1897-). 

    1900 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 3rd District, Reisterstown Road
    Name Relship Birth Month    Age Occupation Birthplace
    John W Loose Apr 1863         37 manufactures molding         Maryland
    Margaret             wife Aug 1867         32              Maryland
    Albert W             son Jan 1887         13 Maryland
    Clyde E             son Jul 1889         10 Maryland
    Carroll L             son Jul 1897           2 Maryland
    Also shows John and Margaret had been married 14 years.  Margaret had 3 children, all 3 alive.

    1910 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 11th Ward, 1327 Bolton Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Margaret Loose (widow)  42 Maryland
    Albert W son  23 manager at auto storage              Maryland
    Clyde E daughter? 20 asst manager at auto storage            Maryland
    Karl L son  12                 Maryland
    Hattie M Miller servant  24 seamstress for family Maryland
    Also shows Margaret had 3 children, all 3 alive.  Margaret had been married 24 years.  Margaret’s parents were born in Germany.  Hattie and the children’s parents were born in Maryland.

    John Wesley Loose died in Baltimore on April 14, 1910 at the age of 58.  Margarette died in Baltimore on March 16, 1953 at the age of 85.  Both are buried at Druid Ridge Cemetery in Baltimore.

  7. Catherine Loose was born on February 19, 1866 in Baltimore.  She died as an infant on April 24, 1866.
  8. Anna Marie Loose was born on April 13, 1868 in Baltimore.  She was also known as Maria and as Annie.  Maria wrote in Annie Wenzel’s memory book “Dear Annie, This page was without a spot untill I wrote forget me not, Your Cousin, Maria Loose”.  Anna Maria married Charles Wesley Miles on November 7, 1895 in Baltimore.  He was born September 9, 1864, the son of John Wesley Miles and Catherine Videl.  Charles and Anna had three children, Caroline Videl (1897-1976), Raymond Kibler (1899-1989), and Alfred Delno (1902-1987).  Charles worked as a boilermaker for the Northern and Central Railroad for 20 years.  He refused to transfer to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania when the operations moved. 

    1900 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 533 Gold Street
    Name Relship Birth month    Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles W Miles Jul 1865         34 Maryland
    Annie M wife Apr 1868         32 Maryland
    Caroline B daughter Aug 1896           3 Maryland
    Raymond son Dec 1899           5 months Maryland
    Caroline Loose m-in-law Sept 1835        64                           Germany
    Also - Charles & Anna had been married 4 years.  Charles’ parents were born in Maryland.  Caroline Loose’s parent were born in Germany.  Caroline immigrated in 1836.  She had been in the U.S. 63 years.

    1910 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 2124 Milbrook? Ave
    Name Relaship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles W Miles 45 Boilermaker at Railway shop Maryland
    Annie M wife 43 Maryland
    Caroline ? daughter 12 Maryland
    Raymond H son 10                          Maryland
    Alfred D son   8 Maryland
    Also - Charles & Anna had been married 14 years.  Charles’ parents were born in Maryland.  Annie’s parents were born in Germany.  Annie had 3 children, all alive.

    1920 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 4504 Park Heights Avenue
    Name Relationship Age Occupation                Birthplace
    Charles W Miles 56 ironworker at construction co.Maryland
    Annie M wife 53   Maryland
    Caroline V daughter  22 clerk at railroad company   Maryland
    Raymond son 20 ironworker at construction co.Maryland
    Alfred D son 17 clerk at hotel   Maryland
    Charles’ parents were born in Maryland.  Annie’s parents were born in Germany.

    1930 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 4358 Park Heights Avenue
    Name Relship             Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles W Miles 68 ironworker Maryland
    Mary A wife 62 Maryland
    Alfred D son 27 riveter at ship yard Maryland
    Charles’ parents were born in Maryland.  Mary’s parents were born in Germany.

    Charles died on April 22, 1932 at the age of 67.  Anna died on September 7, 1950, at the age of 82.  Both are buried at Loudon Park Cemetery.

  9. Julius Albert Loose was born August 13, 1869 in Baltimore.  He was known as Albert.  Albert wrote in Annie Wenzel’s memory book “Remember me, J. Albert Loose, March 1885, Balto, Md”.  Albert married Mary Elizabeth Jewel on December 6, 1893.  Mary was born in October, 1870 in Maryland.  Julius Albert Loose and Mary had three children, Edna (1896-1902), Elizabeth (1893-), and Edna R (1902-1902). 

    1900 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 1509 Lauvale Street
    Name Relaship Birth Month Age Occupation Birthplace
    Albert Loose Aug 1868              31 singer Maryland
    Mary E wife Oct 1870        29 Maryland
    Elizabeth             daughter Sept 1893  6 Maryland
    Edna daughter Mar 1896               4 Maryland
    Anna M Immes boarder May 1831 69 (widow) Maryland
    Bessie White boarder Apr 1879              21 Maryland
    Also shows Albert and Mary married 7 years.  Mary had 2 children, both alive.  Albert’s parents were born in Germany.  Mary’s parents were born in Maryland.  Anna M Innes had 4 children, all 4 alive. 

    1910 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 1509 Lauvale Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Julius A Loose 40 manager for moving pictures Maryland
    Mary E wife 39 Maryland
    Elizabeth daughter 15 Maryland
    Frank McLaughlin boarder 30             Nova Scotia
    Anna boarder 25 Florida
    Annie Simms boarder 80 own income Maryland
    William W Costin boarder 38 minister for religious work Canada
    Also shows Julius & Mary married 16 years.  Mary had 2 children, 1 is alive.  Frank & Anna married 4 yrs

    1920 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 1737 West North Avenue
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Julius A Loose 50 singer for marts & churches Maryland
    Mary E wife 49 Maryland
    George D Harsie boarder 24 draftsman for city hall         Pennsylvania
    Elizabeth brds wife 23 Maryland
    Also shows Julius’es parents were born in Germany.  Mary’s parents were born in Maryland.

    1930 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland - 3610 Park Heights Avenue
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Julius Loose 60 salesman for tailoring Maryland
    Mary E wife 59 Maryland
    George Harmon s-in-law 34 draftsman for city                     Pennsylvania
    Elizabeth daughter 35 Maryland
    Isabelle gdau   9 Maryland
    Naimi Miesel boarder 24 Maryland
    Also shows Julius and Mary were married 37 years.  George and Elizabeth were married 12 years.

    Charles A Loose died on March 24, 1895 at age 70.  Caroline died April 18, 1902 at age 66.  Caroline’s death certificate stated she had been in the United States for 64 years.  The gives an immigration date of 1837 or 1838.  This is similar to the immigration year (1836) provided in the 1900 Census.   Both are buried at Loudon Park Cemetery.

Third child - Louisa Kibler (1836-)

Louisa Kibler was born around 1836 in Germany.  She was likely born in Backnang, Wuertemberg as her sister Caroline was likely born there a year earlier.  Louise appeared in the 1850 Census with her mother and siblings.  She possibly married before 1860, since no further records can be easily found for her after the 1850 Census.

1867-1868 Woods Baltimore City Directory
DOKGUTH'S HOTEL, John F. Heck, proprietor, 271 w Pratt
1870 Census, Baltimore City, District 1, Catonsville P.O.
name          age occupation     birthplace
John Heck      35 confectioner   Wurttemburg
Louisa         35                Wurttemburg
Louisa         11                Maryland
Annie           9                Maryland
Mena            5                Maryland
Chas Brinkman  32 butcher        Wurttemburg
Kate           28                Wurttemburg
Henry           2                Maryland
Emma            4m               Maryland  (b. Feb)
Chas Cheneweth 27 car driver     Maryland
1880 Census, Baltimore City, 16th Ward, 305 Pratt Street, page 15
name                  age  occupation    birthplace   parents
John F. Heck           46  hotel keeper  Württemberg  Württemberg
Louisa           wife  46                Württemberg  Wurttemberg
Louisa           dau   22                Maryland
Anna             dau   20                Maryland
Minnie           dau   15                Maryland
Mary             dau   10                Maryland
Emma             dau    7                Maryland
Carrie Ziegler   cous  23                Maryland     Wurttemberg
Louis Ziegler    cous  25 cabinet maker  Maryland     Wurttemberg
Henry Thomas     brdr  32 baker          Hesse D      Hesse D
Lewis Martin     brdr  28 baker          Maryland     Maryland
George Price     brdr  40 laborer        Prussia      Prussia
John Ross        brdr  46 carpet weaver  Frankfort    Frankfort
Anna Ross        brdr  44                Westphalia   Westphalia
Charles Sinneman brdr  26 bar keeper     Hanover      Hanover
1890 Woods Baltimore City Directory
John F. Heck, 128 w Conway, packer

		

Elizabeth KiblerFourth child - Mary Elizabeth Kibler (1838-)

Mary Elizabeth Kibler was born on May 29, 1838 in Baltimore, Maryland.  She was baptized on February 7, 1841 at Old Otterbein Church on the same day as her sister Sophia.  Her parents Frederick and Frederica Kibler were witnesses.  Sometime around 1856, she married Jacob Sechrist.  Jacob was born around 1828 in Manchester, York County, Pennsylvania.  Jacob and Mary Elizabeth had eight children.

  1. Adam Sechrist was born around 1857 in Pennsylvania.  In 1880, he was a carpenter.
  2. Jacob Kirk Sechrist was born December 2, 1859 in York, Pennsylvania.  He married Susan Spangler on April 11, 1880.  During the 1880 Census, he was a carpenter.  Jacob and Susan had at least on son, George Kirk Seacrist (1884-).  Jacob Kirk died on October 31, 1936 in York.
  3. Annie Sechrist was born around 1861 in Pennsylvania.
  4. Mary Sechrist was born around 1863 in Pennsylvania.
  5. George Sechrist was born around 1865 in Pennsylvania.
  6. Lucy Sechrist was born around 1868 in Pennsylvania.
  7. Olive Sechrist was born in October 1870 in Pennsylvania
  8. Harry Sechrist was born around 1874 in Pennsylvania.
  9. Jacob Sechrist died in 1892.  Mary Elizabeth Kibler Sechrist died after 1910.

    1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 235 South Duke Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Mary E Seachrist (widow) 71 Maryland
    Also shows Mary had 10 children, of which 7 are living.  Her parents were born in Germany.

Fifth child - Sophia Kibler (1840-)

Sophia Kibler was born June 15, 1840 in Maryland.  She was baptized at Old Otterbein Church on February 7, 1841 on the same day as her sister Elizabeth.  The following 1860 Census record is almost certainly our Sophia Kibler:

1860 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 19th Ward
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
Jacob Baker 40 butcher Maryland
Margaret 39 Maryland
Charles 18 butcher Maryland
Julia 16 Maryland
Samuel 14 Maryland
William W 12 Maryland
Sophia Kibbler 20 domestic Maryland
John Barthlow 33 butcher Maryland

The question is what became of Sophia after 1860.  The following Census records are very interesting, but do not provide anything definite.  Searching the 1880 Census for names like Sophia, born in 1840 plus or minus 2 years, whose parents were born in Germany, yielded just one result.  The person is Sophia Herzler.  In the 1880 Census shows the birthplace of Sophia Heszlers parents as Wuertemburg.  Our Sophia Kibler was born June 5, 1840.  The 1870 and 1880 Census records are right on target.  However, in 1900, she loses 2 years and the birthdate does not match.  I am not sure which Census record is incorrect.

1870 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland, 19th Ward
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
Charles F Herzler 35 school teach Prussia
Sophia wife 30 Maryland
Amelia daughter 10 Maryland
Harry son   8 Maryland
Julius son   8 Maryland
Charles son   6 Maryland
Lillie daughter   3 Maryland
Julia daughter   1 Maryland

1880 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland, 20th Ward
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
Charles Heszler 45 Teacher Hanover
Sophia wife 40 Keeping House Maryland
Amelia daughter 19 Maryland
Harry son 18 farming Maryland
Julius son 18 apprenticed saddlerMaryland
Charles son 16 clerk in store Maryland
Lillie daughter 13 Maryland
Julia daughter 11 Maryland
William son   6 Maryland
Also shows Charles’ parents were born in Hanover.  Sophia’s parents were born in Wuertemberg.

1890 Baltimore City Directory
Chas E P Heszler 618 Clinton Ave
Chas F Heszler 618 Clinton Ave teacher
Harry Heszler 618 Clinton Ave harness maker
Julius Heszler 618 Clinton Ave harness maker

1900 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland, 14th Ward, 618 Clinton Avenue
Name Relship Birth Month    Age Occupation Birthplace
Sophia Heszler Feb 1837       63 (widow) Maryland
Charles GP son July 1864       35 letter carrier Maryland
Lillie W             daughter Mar 1868       32 Maryland
William D             son July 1872       27 Maryland
John P Rentz s-in-law Oct 1866       33 compositer Maryland
Julia V daughter May 1870      30 Maryland
Also shows Sophia’s parents were born in Germany. Sophia had 7 children, all are alive

Since the birth month and year in the 1900 Census are not the same as our Sophia Kibler, one might assume we have the wrong person.  Note that some of the other ages do not match the previous Census.  There is a definite connection between the Herzler family and the Kibler’s from Wuertemburg as revealed in this 1860 Census record.

1860 Census - Baltimore County, Maryland, 4th Ward
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
Peter Herzler 30 shoe maker Maryland
Mary 32 Bavaria
George   8 Bavaria
Susan   6 Pennsylvania
Barbara   4 Maryland
Christopher Kibler 24 shoe maker Wuertemberg

Outside of the identified Kibler family members and the ‘other’ Frederick Kibler detailed earlier, there are only 3 other Kiblers/Kublers near Baltimore in 1860.  Two (Christian, Michael) live in the same household and were born in different parts of Germany (Hanover, Hessen).  Nothing leads me to believe they are related to our Kibler line.  However, the Christopher Kibler listed in the record above was born in Wuertemburg.  He lives in the only Herzler/Heszler household listed in 1860.  The 1910 Census provides more confusion.  I can not clearly read whether the age for Sophia Heszler is 70 or 73.  My best read is 73.

1910 Census - Baltimore City, Maryland, 14th Ward, 618 Clinton Avenue
Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
John P Rentz 43 printer for book printers Maryland
Julia V wife 40 Maryland
Mildred A daughter  9 Maryland
Caroline mother 70 own income Maryland
Sophia C Heszler m-in-law 73? own income Maryland
Charles GP br-in-law 45? mail carrier for government Maryland
Lillie W si-in-law 43? Maryland

Christopher Kibler never appears again.  One thing to note is that he is the exact same age as Louise Kibler.  In the 1860 Census record, Christopher Kibler is clearly marked as male.  In the 1850 Census record, Louise Kibler is clearly marked as female.  Neither Christopher or Louise can be easily found in the 1870 Census or later.   We do not enough evidence to conclude whether Sophia Heszler is indeed our Sophia Kibler.  However, the above data is very interesting and could provide a starting point for further research.

Sixth child - John Kibler (1843-)

John Kibler was born around 1843 in Maryland.  John appeared in the 1850 Census with his mother and siblings.  By 1860, his mother had likely died.  After a thorough search of the 1860 Census only one record could be found that is likely for John Kibler:

1860 Census - Carroll County, Maryland, Manchester District
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
John A Brown 47 farmer Maryland
Lydia 32 Maryland
Mary   7 Maryland
David   5 Maryland
John   3 Maryland
Hannah   4 months Maryland
Nancy 81 Maryland
Catherine Shaffer 20 servant Maryland
John Gibler 16 farm hand Maryland

John Gibler is the only Gibler listed in Maryland in 1860.  So he does not appear to be from a stray Gibler family.  After another thorough search of the1860 Census the only likely record for John’s 13 year old brother is found two households away.  His name is spelled George Kippler.  In 1870 Census, the two Brown families are intact, but do not include our John or George Kibler.  There are a several possible John Kibler Census records from 1870 and later, but no record gives an extra clue (location, exact name, birth year) to lead me to believe that a specific record is our John Kibler.

Charles P. KibblerSeventh child - Charles Peter Kibbler (1845-)

Charles Peter Kibler was born on October 26, 1845 in Baltimore, Maryland.  Charles appeared in the 1850 Census with his mother and siblings.  Sometime before 1866 he married Mary Elizabeth Seacrist.  This Mary Elizabeth Kibler is probably related to Jacob Seacrist, who married Charles Kibler’s sister, Mary Elizabeth Kibler.  Charles and Mary Elizabeth had 5 children:

  1. Annie E Kibler was born around 1867 in Pennsylvania.  She appeared in the 1880 Census with her father and step-mother.  She likely had married by 1900 as an Annie E Kibler could not be found in the 1900 Census.
  2. John Henry Kibler was born in 1869 in Pennsylvania.  John married Mary S Melhorn of Mount Wolf, Pennsylvania about the year 1900.  Mary was born around 1874 in Pennsylvania.   John and Mary had two children, Margaret L (1899-) and John Frederick (1901-)

    1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, Glen Rock, Manchester Street
    Name Relationship Age    Occupation    Birthplace
    John H Kibler 41      Farmer General Farm  Pennsylvania
    Mary S wife 36 Pennsylvania
    Margaret L daughter        11 Pennsylvania
    John F son   9 Pennsylvania
    Also shows John and Mary had been married 12 years.  They had 2 children, both now alive.

    1920 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, Glen Rock
    Name Relationship Age Occupation Birthplace
    John H Kibbler 50 Pennsylvania
    Mary A wife 45 Pennsylvania
    Margaret daughter              20 Pennsylvania
    Frederick son 19 Pennsylvania

    1930 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, Glen Rock, Washington Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    John H Kibler 61 none Pennsylvania
    Mary S wife 55 Pennsylvania
    Also shows John’s age at first marriage was 29.  Mary’s age at first marriage was 25.  John’s father was born in Maryland.  John’s mother was born in Pennsylvania.  Mary’s parents were born in Pennsylvania.

    John Kibler died in York County, Pennsylvania in 1941.

  3. Charles P Kibler Jr. was born around 1871 in Pennsylvania.  He married Bertha I Rudisill sometime around 1894.  She was born around 1877 in Pennsylvania.  Charles and Bertha had 1 child, Gordon (1896-1968).

    1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 572 West Market Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles P Kibbler 36 Fertilizer Salesman Pennsylvania
    Bertha I wife 33 Pennsylvania
    Gordon son 13 Pennsylvania
    Also shows Charles and Bertha married for 16 years.  They had 1 child who is still alive.

    1920 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 572 West Market Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles P Kibbler 47 commercial traveler fertilizer Pennsylvania
    Bertha I wife 43 Pennsylvania
    Gordon G son 23 commercial automobiles Pennsylvania
    Vada E d-in-law 19 Maryland
    Annie Rudisill m-in-law 71 (widow) Pennsylvania

    1930 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 572 West Market Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Charles P Kibler 56 Poultry Merchant Pennsylvania
    Bertha I wife 53 Pennsylvania
    Also shows Charles and Bertha married for 26 years.

    1930 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 572 West Market Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Gordon C Kibbler 33 orchestra - self Pennsylvania
    Carolyn H wife 32 Illinois
    Marylin G daughter  4 Pennsylvania

    Gordon Kibbler was involved with musical number in 1930.  “When Your Hair Has Turned To Silver I Will Love You Just The Same”  Featured By Gordon Kibbler - Peter De Rose - Charlie Tobias - Joe Morris Music Co. - 1930

    Charles P Kibbler died in 1937 in York County.  His obituary is below:

    December 20, 1937 - Charles P. Kibbler Removed By Death -
    Former President of York County Fruit Growners Association Dies -
    Funeral on Thursday -

    Charles P Kibbler, a widely known York citizen, and a former president of the York County Fruit Growers association, died at 5:30 o’clock Saturday afternoon at the family residence, 572 West Market street, where the family has resided for the past twenty-eight years.  He was stricken on November 23, and had been in impaired health since that time. 

    Mr. Kibbler was general sales manager for the Natural Lime-Marl company, Charlestown, W. Va.  Prior to that for a period of eighteen years, he was general sales manager for the Eureka Fertilizer company, Baltimore, Md.  Early in his life he was employed as a telegraph operator on the Baltimore division of the Northern Central railway for a period of nine years.  Mr. Kibbler was sixty-five years old.

    He was interested in fruit growing.  He owned and developed a large peach and apple orchard at Hanover Junction which he later sold.  He was a member of the Freidensaals Lutheran church, near Seven Valleys.  He was a son of the late Mr. And Mrs. Charles Kibbler, Winterstown.

    Mr. Kibbler is survived by his widow, Bertha I Kibbler; a son Gordon C. Kibbler, national representative of the Century Orchestra corporation, who resides at 2217 West Market street, West York; a granddaughter, Marilyn Jean Kibbler, West York; a brother Amos Kibbler, who resides in the western part of the United States; a sister, Mrs. Harvey Gibbons, who also resides in the West; two step-sisters, Mrs. Elmer Brenneman, York, and Mrs. Clyde Snyder, Winterstown.

    The funeral will be held Thursday afternoon with service at his residence at 1 o’clock and concluding services in Friedensaal’s Lutheran church at 2 o’clock.  Interment will be made in the cemetery adjoining the church.  Rev. S.H. Culler will be the officiating minister.  Funeral Directors C.A. Strack and Son prepared the body for burial.

  4. Amos KibblerAmos William Kibler was born on February 24, 1876 in York County, Pennsylvania.  He went West at the turn on the century to fight in the Spanish-American War.  He was a Sergeant in Company D, 7th Division U.S. Infantry.  In 1910, he and 17 others were lodging at the residence of  Ford C and Sarah W Spencer in Ely City, Nevada.  In 1920, Amos had moved north and was living in the home of his younger sister Martha Ann Gibbons in Montana.  He applied for a pension for his military service on April 28, 1928.  He was living in Arizona at the time.  In 1930 he and 8 others were lodging at the residence of Deborah Farley in Tucson, Arizona.  Amos died on January 4, 1957 in Los Angeles, His birthdate and birthplace were listed as well as his mother’s maiden name, Seacrist.  He is buried at the Los Angeles National Cemetery.

    1910 Census - White Pine County, Ely City, Nevada
    Name         Relationship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Ford C Spencer
    Sarah W Spencer
    17 lodgers including
    Amos W Kibbler         lodger 32 House Plasterer Pennsylvania

    1930 Census - Pima County, Tucson, Arizona
    Name Relationship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Deborah Farley
    8 lodgers including
    Amos W Kibler lodger 54 House Plasterer Pennsylvania

  5. Martha Anna Kibler was born in January 1879.  In 1880, she was listed in the Census twice.  One record shows her as a daughter living with her father Charles P Kibler and step-mother Lydia Snyder Kibler.  Another record shows her as a niece living with her aunt Mary Elizabeth Seacrist.  In 1880, Martha was almost a year and a half old.  Her  mother had died shortly after she was born, possible during childbirth.  Her father remarried very quickly and had another child, Susan was born 13 months later.   At the time of the 1880 Census, Susan had her own 4 month old baby and was pregnant.  Aunt Elizabeth Seacrist probably offered to raise the Martha.  Charles P Kibler and Susan agreed. 

    In 1900, Martha Kibler was 21 and living with her aunt.  On June 8, 1902, Martha married John Harvey Gibbons in York County, Pennsylvania.  The family moved to Montana by 1903.  The record below shows their daughter Martha was born in Montana in 1903.  Martha and Harvey divorced before 1920.  This information was passed down by Terry Snyder’s grandmother and also is seen in this 1920 Census record:

    1920 Census - Silver Bow County, Butte, Montana, 2550 Harrison Avenue
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Elizabeth Gibbons divorced  38 Pennsylvania
    Martha daughter 17 Montana
    Amos Kibbler brother 39 Plasterer? Pennsylvania

    I am not sure why Martha Anna Kibler’s name is listed as Elizabeth in the 1920 Census record.  Maybe the Census taker reversed the names of the mother and daughter.  I can’t find the 1910 or the 1930 Census record at present.

Mary Elizabeth Seacrist Kibler probably died in childbirth in January 1899.  By the time of the 1880 Census Charles P Kibler was listed with a new wife.   In 1880, the children of Charles and Mary were living with Charles, except for a 1 year old Martha who was living with her Aunt.  Charles P Kibler most likely married Lydia Ann Snyder in 1879.   Lydia Snyder was born in May 1846 in Pennsylvania.  Charles and Lydia had two daughters: 

  1. Susan KibblerSusan E. Kibler was born in February 1880 in York County, Pennsylvania.  On May 12, 1904, she married Clyde T Snyder in York County.  Clyde T Snyder was born in 1883 in Pennsylvania.  Susan and Clyde had at least eight children: Cyril C (1905-1990), Winifred C (1906-), Geraldine N (1909-), Willard L (1911-1984), Elizabeth S (1915-), Titis C (1918-1998), Mildred L (1921-), and Kathryn (1924-).

    1910 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, North Hopewell, Main Street
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Clyde T Snyder 27 laborer at odd jobs Pennsylvania
    Susan E wife 30 Pennsylvania
    Cyril C son   4 Pennsylvania
    Winifred C daughter   3 Pennsylvania
    Geraldine daughter 10 months Pennsylvania
    Also shows Clyde and Susan married 5 years.  They had 3 children, all living.

    See the Discovering Charles P Kibler section for the 1920 Census record for the Snyder family.

    1930 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, North Hopewell,
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    T.C. Snyder 46 labor concrete road Pennsylvania
    Susan wife 50 Pennsylvania
    Willard R son 18 cigar roller in factory Pennsylvania
    Elizabeth E daughter 14 Pennsylvania
    Tydious C son 12 Pennsylvania
    Mildred L daughter   9 Pennsylvania
    Kathryn daughter   6 Pennsylvania
    Also shows TC and Susan had been married 26 years.

  2. Laura O. Kibler was born in December 1880 in York County, Pennsylvania.  Laura married Elmer Breneman on April 24, 1904 in York County.  Elmer Breneman was born in 1881 in Pennsylvania.  Elmer and Laura had three children Gerald R (1904-), Evelyn L (1908-), and Ella L (1910-).

    1920 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 241 Jefferson Avenue, York
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Elmer T Breneman 38 laborer at shop Pennsylvania
    Laura O wife 39 charge of stone georg Pennsylvania
    Gerald R son 15 Pennsylvania
    Evelyn L daughter 11 Pennsylvania
    Ella L daughter  9 Pennsylvania

    1930 Census - York County, Pennsylvania, 241 Jefferson Avenue, York
    Name Relship Age Occupation Birthplace
    Elmer Breneman 49 machinist ice machinery Pennsylvania
    Laura O wife 49 Pennsylvania
    Evelyn L Miller daughter 21 Pennsylvania
    Walter F Miller s-in-law  25 machinist ice machinery Pennsylvania
    Thomas J Miller grandson 2 yrs, 10 months Pennsylvania
    Also shows Elmer and Laura had been married 26 years.  Evelyn and Walter married for 3 years. 

Eighth child - George Kibler (1847-)

George Kibler was born around 1847 in Maryland.  George appeared in the 1850 Census with his mother and siblings.  By 1860, his mother had likely died.  After a thorough search of the 1860 Census only one record could be found that is likely for George Kibler:

1860 Census - Carroll County, Maryland, Manchester District
Name Age Occupation Birthplace
David K Brown 36 farmer Maryland
Christena 27 Biren?, Germany
Laura   5 Maryland
Noah   3 Maryland
Mary   1 Maryland
George Kippler 13 Maryland

George Kippler is the only Kippler listed in Maryland in 1860.  So he does not appear to be from a stray Kippler family.  After another thorough search of the1860 Census the only likely record for George’s 16 year old brother is found two households away.  His name is spelled John Gibler.

Additional Information discovered after the 2003 manuscript...

(Kibler, Kuebler, Kubler, Gibler, Kipler, Kepler)  Are you looking for a Sophia Kibler born 1840, John Kibler born 1843, or George Kibler born 1847, all in Baltimore?   I as well as as few other researchers are looking for them and their descendants.

The record at the very bottom is for my ancestor Gottlieb Frederick Kuebler who immigated from Germany around 1835 to Baltimore, Maryland.  Family history refers to him as Frederick Kibler or Frederick Kubler.  Until last year we knew very little about him and did not know other
researchers looking for him.  The record at the bottom of this email is the most revealing.  I am connected through his daughter Catherine who married George Wenzel, another researcher connects through his daughter Caroline who married Charles Loose, a third researcher
connects to him through his son Charles Peter.  We have also found much about his daughter Elizabeth who married Jacob Sechrist.  Charles Peter Kibler and Elizabeth Sechrist moved to York County, PA.

We are still looking for 3 more of G. Frederick Kibler's children and their descendents.  Note that Fredericka Kuebler, his widow remarried to John Martin in Baltimore.  The missing children are...
Sophia Kibler who was born in 1840 and baptized at Old Otterbien Church in Baltimore.  In the 1860 Census in Baltimore she is 20 and living with Jacob Baker and family.  She likely married Charles F Heszler (or Herzler) and had children Amelia, Harry, Julius, Charles, Lillie, Julia, and William.  The Herzler family is connected with a Christopher Kibler who was born in 1836 in Wuertemburg, Germany.  We are only about 75% sure of the marriage and need to do more research.

John Kibler was born in 1843 in Baltimore.  He appeared in the 1850 Census with his mother and siblings.  In 1860, he was listed as John Gibler and living in Carroll County, Maryland with the John A & Lydia Brown family.  He was next door to another Brown family that took in
his brother George.  I have not been able to find him after 1860.

George Kibler was born in 1847 in Baltimore.  He appeared in the 1850 Census with his mother and siblings.  In 1860, he was listed as George Kippler and living in Carroll County, Maryland with the David K & Christena Brown family.   He was next door to another Brown family
with brother John.   I have not been able to find him after 1860
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Gottlieb F. Kuebler - 2nd Administrative Account - Baltimore City
The second account of John Martin and Fredericka, his wife, formerly Fredericka Kuebler, administrix of Gottlieb F. Kuebler, deceased.  These accountants charge themselves with the balance due on their last account settled the 24th day of January 1854 and consisting of
a lot of ground fronting Pennsylvania Avenue, 17 feet and running back to Cove Street, about 300 feet with the improvements thereon, being two two-story frame dwellings and an old carpenter's shed at $610 and in cash $369.12 -
$979.12
And the difference between the sales and appraisement of the above leasehold property- $90
And with this sum being the amount of cash that was on hand at the time of deceased's death, but omitted to be charged in the first account - $30
And with cash received of Jacob Gracely for a debt due to the deceased - $7
And with cash received for rent of the leasehold property from the 1st of January 1854 to the 1st of March 1854 the time it was sold - $13.50
$1119.62
And they gave an allowance for the following:
Payments and Disbursements.
Cash paid Caspare Nichlaus for ground rent to 1st February 1854 per receipt $9.75
Ditto paid Edward Dowling, Clerk of the Superior Court for recording lease from John Pracht per receipt $4
Ditto paid Miss Glocker + Norris for commission for selling property and examining records in relation to same, per account and receipt $30
Ditto paid registers fees and for copy of this account $6.42
These accountants commission on $140.50 at 10 per cent $14.05
Cash retained by these accountants on right of said Fredericka as the widow of the deceased being in full proportion of the personal estate $351.80
Ditto paid George Wenzel in right of his wife Catherine, a daughter and one of the heirs and legal representatives of the deceased being in full proportion her release recorded appears $87.95
Ditto paid Charles Lose in right of his wife Caroline, a daughter and one of the heirs and legal representatives of the deceased being in full proportion her release recorded appears $87.95
Ditto paid Louisa Kuebler, a daughter and one of the heirs and legal representatives of the deceased being in full proportion her release recorded appears $87.95
Ditto retained by these accountants as Guardians of Elizabeth Kuebler Orphan daughter of the deceased being in full proportion $87.95
Ditto retained by same as Guardians of Sophia Kuebler Orphan daughter of the deceased being in full proportion $87.95
Ditto retained by same as Guardians of John Kuebler Orphan son of the deceased being in full proportion $87.95
Ditto retained by same as Guardians of Peter Kuebler Orphan son of the deceased being in full proportion $87.95
Ditto retained by these accountants as Guardians of George Kuebler Orphan son of the deceased being in full proportion $87.95
Estate accounted for $1119.62

Baltimore City, on the 9th day of March 1854 came John Martin and Fredericka, his wife, formerly Fredericka Kuebler, administratrix as aforesaid, and made oath on the Holy Evangely of Almighty God, that the aforegoing account is just and true as stated and that they have paid or secured the payment of every sum or sums for which they crave an allowance which after examination is passed by order of the Orphans Court Test: H Hickman, Register of Wills for Baltimore City

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More recent finds:

1849 Baltimore City Directory
Mrs. Frederica Kebler, Pennsylvania
ave., n. of Wilson st.

1851 Baltimore City Directory
Frederica Kubler, Penn. av. n of Wilson st.

1860 John W. Wood's Baltimore City Directory
Kiblen, Frederick, engine & locomotive builder, 92 dolphin
(younger)
1860 Census - Baltimore City, 19th Ward, 
name             age occupation  birthplace
John Martin       55 farmer      Nassau
Frederica         45             Württemberg
Catherine Martin  32             Württemberg
Caroline Martin   26             Württemberg 
William Martin     8             Maryland

1870 Census - Baltimore City, 20th Ward
John Martin, age 64, laborer, born in Nassau
Frederica Martin, age 60, born in Württemberg
Lewis Martin, age 18, plasterer, born in Maryland

1880 Census - Baltimore City, (see Louisa Kibler)
Lewis Martin, age 28, born in Maryland, parents born in Maryland

1900 Census - Baltimore City, 5th District, E. Falls Rd, page 8
name                       birth   age   birthplace  parents  occupation
Lewis Martin             Jul 1852   47   Maryland    Maryland farmer
Mary E.             wife Oct 1853   46   Maryland    Maryland
Luther A.           son  May 1881   19   Maryland    Maryland farm labor
Charles W.          son  Nov 1882   17   Maryland    Maryland farm labor
Cleveland M.        son  Sep 1884   15   Maryland    Maryland farm labor
Lucynda             dau  Jan 1887   13   Maryland    Maryland
Elizabeth A. Keller mlaw Dec 1833   67   Maryland    Maryland
[Lewis and Mary married 25 years.  Mary 5 children, 4 living, Elizabeth widow]